It's Giuliani Time

by digby

As often happens, Glenn Greenwald and I are walking a similar path today. Glenn writes about the possibility of Rudy Giuliani being accepted by the GOP base after all, and it's a fascinating analysis:

Giuliani's talent for expressing prosecutor-like righteous anger towards "bad people" -- as well as his well-honed ability to communicate base-pleasing rhetoric towards Islamic extremists -- are underappreciated. I don't think any candidate will be able to compete with his ability to convey a genuine hard-line against Middle Eastern Muslims (see here for one representative maneuver), and that is the issue that -- admittedly with some exceptions -- dominates the Christian conservative agenda more than gay marriage and abortion (concerns which he can and will minimize by promising to appoint more Antonin Scalias and Sam Alitos to the Supreme Court, something he emphasized last night in a highly amicable interview with Sean Hannity).


I would just say that I don't think it's a matter of prioritizing these issues within the Christian Right agenda. These people do believe that abortion and gay marriage are just as important as the threat of the Islamic boogeyman, but they are also willing to be bamboozled by their preachers if they decide that Rudy has adequately genuflected to their power. One of the great things about having a very religious voting bloc on your side is that they, by nature, tend to act on faith and follow their leaders.

I would not have thought a Giuliani candidacy possible just a few months ago, but I learned something very important about the Christian right in the last election and so should we all. Their leadership is completely unprincipled:


DOBSON: As it turns out, Mr. Foley has had illicit sex with no one that we know of, and the whole thing turned out to be what some people are now saying was a -- sort of a joke by the boy and some of the other pages ... By midafternoon yesterday, a rumor emerged that in fact Mark Foley had been pranked by the House pages. It is the first plausible thing I've heard in seven days...


And they vote with their tribe:

But in dozens of interviews here in southeastern Virginia, a conservative Christian stronghold that is a battleground in races for the House and Senate, many said the episode only reinforced their reasons to vote for their two Republican incumbents in neck-and-neck re-election fights, Representative Thelma Drake and Senator George Allen.

“This is Foley’s lifestyle,” said Ron Gwaltney, a home builder, as he waited with his family outside a Christian rock concert last Thursday in Norfolk. “He tried to keep it quiet from his family and his voters. He is responsible for what he did. He is paying a price for what he did. I am not sure how much farther it needs to go.”

The Democratic Party is “the party that is tolerant of, maybe more so than Republicans, that lifestyle,” Mr. Gwaltney said, referring to homosexuality.

Most of the evangelical Christians interviewed said that so far they saw Mr. Foley’s behavior as a matter of personal morality, not institutional dysfunction.

All said the question of broader responsibility had quickly devolved into a storm of partisan charges and countercharges. And all insisted the episode would have little impact on their intentions to vote.


If Dobson and his brethren decide it is in their best interests to back Rudy or McCain, they will do so. Expect a lot of posturing and pandering --- these are political animals and they play the game very well. But at the end of the day this decision has nothing to do with whether the Christian conservative base will flee the party or stay home. They can rationalize anything.

Rudy is a formidable candidate who will have to get past Dobson and McCain and pay homage to southern values in a way that southern conservatives understand that he's acknowledging their awesome power. (Look for some very thinly veiled racial appeals from Rudy --- he's got cred in that department.) But his manly-man authoritarian personality and image is where he makes them all swoon and he may very well finesse his former "liberal" positions.

Greenwald concludes:

As this excellent and comprehensive article documents, Giuliani is an "authoritarian narcissist" -- plagued by an unrestrained prosecutor's mentality -- who loves coercive government power (especially when vested in his hands) and hates dissent above all else. He would make George Bush look like an ardent lover of constitutional liberties. He is probably the absolute worst and most dangerous successor to George Bush under the circumstances, but his political talents and prospects for winning are being severely underestimated.


I agree with this. All that "unitary executive" power in the hands of a wingnut prosecutor with little respect for the bill of rights is a truly dangerous propect and we should do everything we can to make sure Mr. 9/11 doesn't get any traction. It is a very bad idea to count on the religious right to foreclose his (or any other) candidacy for us. They will vote for Michael Moore if he's the Republican in the race --- it's a tribal choice, not a religious one. They are smart enough to force these men to publicly bow down and adjust their attitudes and platforms, but they're also smart enough to know that it's all kabuki.

The political motivation for the Christian Right is first and foremost to vote against dirty hippies and if it takes holding their nose and voting for Giuliani they'll do it --- especially if he promises to "get tough on criminals and terrorists" and restore "law and order."

Here's a little taste of how they might start building the drumbeat:

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Exit question: In some U.S. locations, we've seen some fighting between blacks and Latinos. How worrisome is this? Pat Buchanan.

MR. BUCHANAN: Oh, listen, this is a hellish problem. You take LA. The underclass is at war. The black-brown gangs -- when they say Crips and Bloods together, it's got new meaning, John. It is a terrible war, frankly, in South Central and the areas of Los Angeles.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Will the Latinos take over from the blacks the largest caucus in the Congress?

MR. BUCHANAN: John, the Latinos in California outnumber African- Americans something like six to one in California. The African- Americans, like white Americans, are coming back over the mountains.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: You see that as a sweep of the country in how many years?

MR. BUCHANAN: Well, here's the thing. The trouble with the Hispanics is many of them are illegal. The ones who are legal don't register, and the ones who register don't vote.

MS. CLIFT: The Latinos are under --

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Yeah, you're worried about the situation, aren't you?

MR. BUCHANAN: Well, I mean, in terms of the social situation in the American Southwest, the country is going to look -- all of our cities are going to look like Los Angeles of the movie "Crash."

[...]

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Are you nervous too?

MR. BLANKLEY: Look, it's not a question of scaring. The Hispanic mayor of Los Angeles, just in the last few days, denied the fact that there was a race war going on in his city, even though the police chief, formerly from New York --

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: What's the point?

MR. BLANKLEY: The point is that at the mayoral level, the state and local level, there's real concern about the violence that's going on, particularly in LA, between Hispanics and black gangs.

MR. PAGE: He is aware of the situation. It's not a race war. But there is a gang war going on. It's like "West Side Story." It's along --

MR. BLANKLEY: It's a gang war polarized by race, and there's no way around that.

MR. PAGE: What's new about that "West Side Story," right? You know, ethnic gangs have been fighting as long as we've had cities. It is a crisis there. It's a neighborhood problem that can spread out and become even more dangerous. I hope the mayor has got his hands on it. But it's not just simply as a consequence of some takeover by Hispanics.

MR. BLANKLEY: Well, the mayor's called for a Marshall Plan of social spending to solve the problem. What he needs is to be a tough mayor like Giuliani was in New York and fight crime wherever he finds it.


They can dust off that good old southern strategy and put America's mayor, the hero of toilet plunger afficionados all over the country, back on the beat in a New York minute. Combine that with the War on Terra and enough dumb swing voters and we are looking at Bush's authoritarian doppleganger as leader of the most powerful nation on earth.


Update: Here are some other fun reminders of our hero of 9/11, from Julia at Sisyphus Shrugged. And then there's this.


Update: Heh. The future ex-Mrs Giuliani is telling everyone who'll listen what a hot ticket her man is:


"I've always liked strong, macho men, and Rudy — I'm not saying this because he's my husband — is one of the smartest people on the planet," gushed the former Judith Nathan to Harper's Bazaar in editions due out Feb. 20.

"What people don't know is that Rudy's a very, very romantic guy. We love watching 'Sleepless in Seattle.' Can you imagine my big testosterone-factor husband doing that?"

Describing Rudy, a former federal prosecutor, as "the Energizer Bunny with no rechargeable batteries," Judi said, "One of the most remarkable things about my husband, who sleeps three or four hours a night, is his energy level and stamina.


Oooh baby.

The chatterers are acting all confused about this wondering why his campaign would do something like this. I don't suppose it has something to do with the fact that there is footage of him in drag all over the internet, do you?

Update again: I should add that all of this depends upon how Rudy handles the question of Iraq. No Republicans are going anywhere if they can't find some kind of sweet spot on that one. Good luck with that.



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