The abortion argument gets real
by digby
When it happned last week, I wrote that Trump uncharacteristically spoke in logical terms when he said that women would need to be punished for killing their fetuses, as did a lot of pro-choice people. These zealots want to evade the consequences of their extremist rhetoric but Trump brought it right out into the open.
And here's someone at World Net daily not only praising him for it, but fine-tuning his argument for him.
No GOP candidate can seek the highest office in the world without being thoroughly grilled on every nuance of his or her position on abortion.
Leftists do this because any answer that supports the life of the baby in any way is fascist and anti-woman. They never grill pro-abortion candidates on their barbarism of their abortion-on-demand positions or the extremism of taxpayer financing of partial-birth abortion.
This week, it was Donald Trump who walked into the buzz saw. Did he make a gaffe or make all of us face an inconvenient truth?
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When pressed by Chris Matthews, Trump said women who abort their unborn babies should perhaps receive some form of punishment if indeed the abortion in question was banned and, therefore, breaking the law. Trump said he hadn’t thought of what the punishment should be, but you could tell that he hadn’t seen the memo from the GOP consultants that said you aren’t supposed to discuss the personal responsibility of women in this scenario.
His view was consistent with many things conservatives say. He just didn’t know this was the unspeakable – kind of like saying we should stop illegal immigration was the unspeakable before Trump dared to say otherwise.
I have been a post-abortive counselor, and what Mr. Trump may not know is that many women are victimized by abortion, because the abortion industry spends millions of taxpayer dollars teaching little girls that pregnancies are just a bunch of tissue. Their $9 billion per year, taxpayer-funded industry depends on vulnerable women believing that lie.
But there are women who are older, wiser, repeat aborters who definitely know better.
Is there a pro-lifer out there that doesn’t think that in a perfect world – where we agreed abortion was, for example, illegal after the first trimester – that the woman could, if working with full knowledge, be held accountable for her complicity in the abortion? Shouldn’t this, like any law that is broken, be considered in a case-by-case manner?
Were abortion education really about abortion education instead of about propagating a multi-billion dollar industry, then maybe women would at that point be more knowledgeable. Is it crazy to think – with a solid law making abortion illegal after a certain point and millions of taxpayer dollars invested in informing women about how the industry preys on them – that women could be held to a standard? Is it crazy to think that a woman who aborts the day before her due date should be punished? The week before?
She goes o to talk about the many mentally disabled and emotionally disturbed women who are so addled they cannot possibly understand the ramification of their actions. (Unlike, say, schizophrenic murderers who are found guilty by application of the simple legal formula that they know right from wrong.) She has "compassion for these childlike simpletons who have abortions without having even the slightest clue what they are doing. And she worries about the millions and millions of women suffering terrible psychological problems.(All of this is, of course, utter nonsense. Women know what they're doing and there is no evidence they are psychologically scarred afterwards.)
Nonetheless, she knows there are some women who deserve to be punished alright.
Republican consultants are afraid of the “war on women” narrative being used against their candidates, and in politically correct America, Republican politicians are given their talking points on how to talk about abortion.
When Trump took on the issue of illegal immigration, he ignored conventional wisdom and said that people who broke the law and came here illegally should be punished. The silent majority surprisingly cheered.
Trump came to his position on illegal immigration by using logic and defying political correctness.
After his comments in the MSNBC town hall, Donald Trump has arguably become the most pro-life candidate in the race for president. He is now even more pro-life than the some of the pro-life groups out there.
I wish I didn’t have to come to Donald Trump’s defense, but to jump on the gender identity “women are always victims” bandwagon against him over this issue would be intellectually dishonest of me. It’s time for authenticity in politics. If conservatives want to talk about the power of women, the rule of law and personal responsibility, gray areas in abortion cannot be glossed over.
Trump may been politically incorrect when he said that women should be punished for having abortions. But he's hardly the first. They've just come upon this fatuous argument that women are addled creatures who don't know their own minds in order to spare their movement having to explain why they think that one third of all American women are cold-blooded murderers.
This woman seems to have decided that only some of the women are mentally disabled and that it's time they put the real murderers away. Like this one:
The prosecution of Purvi Patel began in sorrow and ended in more sadness this week. Patel, a 33-year-old woman who lives in Indiana, was accused of feticide — specifically, illegally inducing her own abortion — and accused of having a baby whom she allowed to die. The facts supporting each count are murky, but a jury convicted Patel in February, and on Monday she was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
See? It's already happening.
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