What it takes to bust Trump's ‘joking’ defense @spockosbrain

What it takes to bust Trump's ‘joking’ defense 

by Spocko

Great piece by Greg Sargent @ThePlumLineGS on the methods Trump uses to get what HE wants.
Trump is ‘joking’ about pardons? How is this a defense?

A fundamental flaw that this book struggles to overcome: “What’s the problem with mobster jokes? Mobsters don’t think they’re funny, and everyone else thinks they’re not jokes.”

 It's important to note that it's not just ONE thing that Trump does. There is not just one method to defeat him. He is cunning and has been trained by mendacious experts like Roy Cohen. He uses multiple legal, illegal and psychological methods to get what he wants and to protect himself in the process. If you want to stop him each method needs to be addressed because he uses them concurrently and/or serially.
We are now at the point where President Trump’s own officials are basically admitting that he has dangled pardons to underlings, as part of an apparent effort to get them to build his border wall in time for reelection.
But they are qualifying this. Or at least they think they are: They are claiming Trump is “joking."
But how exactly is this a defense? It’s actually an admission — and can we please recall that Trump has repeatedly dangled pardons before, in a manner that had no joking aura around it whatsoever?
The New York Times is now the second news organization to report this pushback, after The Post reported on it Tuesday. A senior administration official told the Times that Trump never seriously offered any pardons: “He winks when he does it.”
These supposed joke-pardon offers have come after he has instructed aides to “aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules,” as The Post puts it, adding the crucial detail that Trump has offered pardons when aides object that such directives are illegal.
Trump raged on Twitter that any suggestion he offered pardons is “totally fake.” But his own aides, by allowing he has done this as a “joke,” have partially undermined this claim.
Let’s walk through the ways this isn’t actually a defense. First of all, as I’ve noted, it puts Trump’s underlings in the position of having to decide whether to interpret Trump’s apparent demand that they break the law, and his offer of a pardon, as a real directive and offer.
Bolstering this point, we now have it straight from a senior official that Trump “winks” when he says this. If that sounds familiar, that’s because it calls to mind former Trump fixer Michael Cohen’s arresting description of Trump’s M.O. when it comes to communicating nefarious directives to his consiglieri.
As Cohen testified to Congress, Trump doesn’t “directly” issue such instructions, because “that’s not how he operates.” Instead, Cohen said, Trump would “look me in the eye” and ostensibly state the opposite of what he really intended, a device Cohen came to understand perfectly well. This is unquestionably very plausible on its face.
The part about "It's a joke!" is a line used by bullies when someone calls them on it. We all know that trick. So what would you do if you were in this situation and you KNEW that the bully would try this either in real time or after the fact?
NOTE: Right wing bullies use these same methods to threaten people. They use them to fight back if they are challenged. Anticipate they will use one or more trick then USE that against them. It's a jujitsu move

Example, "I was joking!" can be disproved by providing them with context showing it is not which has the added benefit of nullifying another dodge, the "It's out of context!" complaint.  Often times the context makes it worse, not better. 
When I think about how I would respond I realize that people have tried to get Trump using these methods and have either failed or have been blocked by his other methods used by his protectors and fixers. We must learn from their experience.

1) Have witnesses who can testify that he asked them to do something illegal. Prepare for:
Their word to be questioned and to be threatened online, their money or freedom to be taken away. Their family threatened with violence.  I can point to specific examples of Trump using all these tactics.

If they do testify in front of someone who can do something about it, the findings will be dismissed, downplayed or lied about. Sometimes, as we saw in a deposition, Trump finally is busted and throws money at the problem to make it go away like Trump University.


2) Have it recorded (video is best, but audio in a pinch because tone of voice and facial expressions can be used to show he wasn't joking.)
 Prepare for:
The video to be blocked. (The Apprentice tapes) People to be threatened by massive legal fines if they release them. If the video gets out, the Trump team dismisses what is said as, "Out of context. That is not what he meant. It was a joke! It's not a big deal.  It's locker room talk! Why didn't they object at the time? They knew it was a joke. They played along. They are out to get me because I'm successful and they are not. I'm the victim here. "

I cannot prove Trump is doing something similar when he dangles a pardon with a “wink.” But would it be unreasonable for officials (or indeed the rest of us) to at least wonder whether he might be? And isn’t putting those officials in that position itself a flagrant abuse of power?
Second, administration officials who are in a position to shed light on Trump’s habit of dangling pardons — jokingly or not — are clammed up tight.
Recall that the Times reported in April that Trump privately urged Kevin McAleenan, the acting head of the Department of Homeland Security, to close the border to migrants entirely — then said he’d pardon McAleenan if he encountered legal trouble. This, too, was explained away as potentially being a joke, but it “alarmed” officials, though DHS denied it.
Subsequently, House Judiciary Committee Democrats requested that McAleenan provide a list of all employees present at the meeting at which that reportedly happened, with an eye toward fleshing out the truth about the episode.
Yet now a spokesman for the Judiciary Committee tells me that on this issue, they have received “no response and no documents.” This is newly significant in light of the latest reports that Trump has again dangled pardons.
How do you deal with delay tactics? Anticipate that they will happen, use the next time he uses them to bring previous ones back to light.
Trump has done this repeatedly Third, we know Trump is capable of dangling pardons in a deadly serious manner — indeed, with corrupt intent — because he’s done it before. The special counsel’s report concluded Trump’s public statements about former campaign chair Paul Manafort “suggested that a pardon was a more likely possibility if Manafort continued not to cooperate” with the government.
Crucially, the special counsel also concluded that these statements were “intended” to induce Manafort not to cooperate. That’s improper intent.
Thus, Trump is perfectly capable of nakedly abusing the pardon power. And this is no small thing: as Benjamin Wittes put it, this was a “grotesque abuse of power for impeachment purposes,” and indeed “one of the most singular abuses of the entire Trump presidency.”
We know that in the legal system intent is often hard to prove. The good news is that Trump will often come out and confirm his improper intent. Why?  Because he's stupid? Yes, but he also believes that he can get away with it because he has done so multiple times in the past.

The unabashed, openly contemptuous nature of Trump’s abuse of the pardon power is key here. He cheerfully flaunted it; he delighted in advertising his willingness to use it. For Trump to dangle pardons as a “joke” inevitably shades into this kind of flaunting, albeit of a private sort: I’m only joking, but as I direct you to skirt laws and rules, maybe you should keep in mind that I really do have this power.
Trump’s underlying directivesWhich leads to what most of us aren’t even talking about here: the very orders Trump is issuing that might ultimately require a pardon — just kidding, not really! — which he obviously isn’t joking about.
It’s still vague what precisely he has ordered. But here’s what we do know: that Trump wants the project sped up primarily so he can boast about more wall completion as part of his reelection campaign.
This is the other part of dealing with right wing bullies. They will use the various systems: legal, linguistic, media and psychological to parse their words and actions. They will attempt to get others to give them the benefit of the doubt. 

So, prepare for this use of the systems. I'm not a chess player, I'm a time traveler. I can go back and forth in time and see how they use the same methods over and over and what worked to defeat them. One thing that you can NOT do is assume that they are stupid. They often anticipate your move you aren't the only one who figured this out.

They will figure out that you will use A, B, and C and have counter strategies. Prepare for their responses to your counter strategies. Sometimes their responses are overreactions which makes them vulnerable. One of the things we know is that when they are thwarted, they often want to "take the gloves off" and go right to violence.  They aren't joking.

I'll remind people that both people Sargent quotes here, Cohen and Manafort are in jail. Trump protects himself first.  We all want the catharsis of Trump getting busted. But let's appreciate the work done to get those two convicted.

Michael "I'd take a bullet for him"
  Cohen knew what to record and why. What he didn't anticipate was Trump's use of smarter lawyers, like Bill Barr, to protect Trump.

I/we need to learn from that experience.

Impeachment, like a criminal case needs more than just legal evidence. It needs to be built with an understanding of your opponent. Learn their tricks and the  tricks of their supporters.

Who is supporting Trump NOW? They should be reminded they could be next to Cohen and Manafort in jail, especially if they break the law to help Trump to get what he wants.

Prepare, catch, prosecute, convict. Sentence.  Repeat until done.